Z-Man tells me I’m in a “cult” because I’m a 9/11 truther. Jim Donald uses his trademark false dilemma fallacy on every single issue, including 9/11 truth, all the time, and he even uses the slur “twoofer” that was standard issue Hasbara, like “Joo,” going back to the early 2000’s.
Of course, Z-Man doesn’t know jack shit about 9/11. I doubt he has done anything but watch a few TV clips and then swallow, hook line and sinker, the whole “Clash of Civilization” let’s invade the entire Muslim world to help Israel. My 9/11 truth is based on my own direct, first hand observation of the events leading up to, the events the day of, and years of cover-ups. How is that a “cult?” Considering Z-Man’s long devotion to Reagan era conservatardism, I’d suggest he’s the one in the cult.
Also – Z-Man – please, do not ever, ever, talk about the Marxist Labor Theory of Value until you actually, you know, read what it means. It doesn’t mean anything close to “everyone gets paid the same.” That is just dumb.
Here, I’ll do you a favor so you won’t keep making a fool of yourself:
https://exiledjargon.blogspot.com/2020/11/review-of-othmar-spanns-true-state.html
When Jim Donald isn’t buying off Mexican judges and furiously wiping his hard drives – I wonder why? just can’t figure it out – he’s just parroting Curtis Yarvin, after he spent years peddling Libertopianism, and engaging his readers in a fantasy circle-jerk where they are “priests of the Restoration” and they’ll all be rewarded with jailbait sex slaves when Restoration Day comes. That’s the cult, not 9/11 truth. 9/11 truth is based on observed reality. Jim Donaldism is a sexual fantasy for a fat guy who can’t get a white woman so is reduced to a brown third world woman he can buy – and his commenters, just a bunch of computer nerds who can’t get a girlfriend either.
I hate to break it to you guys, but you aren’t ever going to be any more desirable to women in the coming regime, either. Your fantasy, that one day you will be “showering soldiers with status and pussy” … LOL. You do not have status, nor pussy, to shower on anyone, and you will not ever be Priests of the new regime. All you are, all you will ever be, are sycophants groveling at the feet of power. Maybe, maybe – probably not, but maybe – someone will let you kiss the shoes of their subbie gal. But that is all the status and pussy you are ever going to get.
Personally, again, just for the record: I am not now, nor have I ever been, a right-winger. I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I’m never been dumb enough to fall for that scam. Right-wingers are knuckle-dragging morons with a perfect, 100% track record of losing every single battle with the left and failing to conserve anything, even the women’s restroom.
Fuck right-wingers. Also, fuck Z-Man and Jim Donald, morons who don’t know jack shit about most things but are simply tied to an ridiculous ideology that is hardly all that different than various leftist ideologies. All they engage in is right-wing virtue signaling – Jim Donald’s entire output is purity spiraling, which is just hysterical, as he sees that in everyone on the left, but never seems to notice it even in his own writing and commenting. What an astonishing lack of self-awareness from these not really “dissident” right-wingers.
I’m shocked and how easily, quickly, and hard they fell for Curtis Yarvin’s repackaged neo-conservatism, but then again, right-wingers will fall for pretty much anything.
I’d challenge any of them to a debate, but they’d never accept it, because they are simply ignorant. All of their anti-truth stuff is merely virtue signaling.
And as for Alex Jones, both Jim Donald and Z-Man are far closer to Alex Jonestowners than I am. They all went, like Jones, hog wild for Zion Don. I’ve never been that gullible.
Z-Man’s talking points about finance are pure Reaganite nonsense. He acts like he knows what he’s talking about, but then throws up his hands and says, yeah, I don’t know what these finance guys are doing!
You know exactly how these idiot boomer cons worked. They all loved George W. Bush, until Bush started getting unpopular, then they all started posing as “dissidents” but they never dissented from anything, mostly they just bellyached about black crime.
For supposedly smart guys, they clearly couldn’t pass high school physics.
But it is more than their ignorance. It is their insufferably high opinions of themselves. They both pose as if they are plain speaking common sense types, wise to the ways of the world. But they just peddle the same garbage as anyone else. It’s all just National Review talking points, but a little bit spicier.
What in the world justifies their sky high opinions of themselves?
Then, consider the dumpster fire that is Colin Liddell’s “Affirmative Right.” This guy has been writing for over a decade and in the last couple of years has been reduced to non-stop shilling for Israel and photoshopping Greg Johnson’s face onto gay porn. All of the rest of his writers, again, just merely rewrite Curtis Yarvin posts. Do they have a single original thought or analysis? If people want Curtis Yarvin, they can go to his substack. I read it all the time.
Look – Jim Donald was so ridiculous he was doing QAnon style analysis on the color of Donald Trump’s neckties. In fact, Jim Donald is just an idiot he was doing the whole, “Our Based Manly Pentagon Brass vs. the gay geeks at the State Department.”
Does he really not understand that this beer commercial level of masculinity can be nothing but projection?
How did that turn out, Jim? It turns out the military brass are just as gay as State! But of course, reality and truth are not important. What is important is selling their commenters a fantasy that they are better and smarter than everyone else. It is all Right-Wing Purity Spiraling And Virtue Signaling. At least when Vox Day does it, it’s tongue in cheek with a bit of self-aware humor. But these guys? They take it completely seriously. The utter lack of self-awareness is astonishing.
No wonder the right wing always loses – it is full of right-wingers.
I’ve found 9/11 truth is an almost completely 100% reliable indicator of people who have a clue, and people who do not. The anti-truthers are all invested in one idea, and that is, facts, reality, evidence, observation, none of that matters, because they can “prove” something simply via words. “I write this sentence, therefore 9/11 truthers are wrong.”
My favorite was always, “someone would have talked!” I mean, literally scores of people have talked they just didn’t get broadcast on TV, so you’ve never heard of any of them.
All of what they are doing is called “thought-terminating cliches.” E. Michael Jones is particularly bad about this. He rejects physical reality in favor of language. He also simply hates white people, hates America, and believes whatever the Vatican tells him to believe, because he’s a textbook religious fanatic.
All of these so-called “dissident right” – all they do is copy Curtis Yarvin. So, let me save you a lot of time. This is Curtis Yarvin’s entire output in two sentences:
- Bureaucracies work best with a unified executive who has hire and fire power.
- Jews are not responsible for anything bad, ever, at all.
I totally agree with the first, and totally disagree with the second.
So, there, I’ve saved you a lot of time.
In the last decade Jim and Z-Man both have spent thousands and thousands of hours of their lives on their websites. Their return on that investment is a) no money, b) no power, but as consolation prize c) a few dozen loyal internet commenter-cultists who hang on their every word. (He says, commenting on an internet website. Yes, I’m guilty to some extent. I’m a writer. It can’t be helped. So far and hopefully forever I haven’t started a blog, inshallah, but I can’t keep myself from writing short little blurbs like this one here and elsewhere.)
I maintain that Donald Trump wasn’t the evil guy you claim. I actually think he was the exact opposite of his public persona, which he donned simply because that was how he could maintain his initial speculative “big wins” in the universe-grade shark tank that is New York. His virtue was not that he was so great in himself, but that the alternative was so awful, and that he authentically stood completely outside the hegemonic political regime. Hence the insane reaction of the occupational class to his shock presidency. In the end of course he proved himself incapable of rule, a dupe, and a coward. Much of that is probably attributable to his advanced age; I believe he could have successfully purged the United States Government had he been elected in his forties or fifties. We’ll never know.
The Big Question of 9/11 is not What but Who. If someone lies about What they deserve the oven. But I’m not convinced that the Who is as simple as many people believe it to be. Certainly I don’t have the information sources to convincingly make a determination there. It’s enough to make you yearn for the days of great power conflicts between one great state and another.
Jargon is solid as solid.
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@Black Kitty Kat
You see, Donald Trump has been a famous celebrity for most of my life. His “mentor” was pedophile homosexual blackmailer Roy Cohn. That is not in dispute, that is in the public record. Trump’s long time assocation with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell is public knowledge. Trump’s personal attorney is known to have been blackmailing Jerry Falwell Jr. and Trump’s close associates at the National Enquirer were attempting to blackmail Jeff Bezos.
That’s all on the public record. So is Donald Trump’s long time loyalty to Israel.
So if you think being at the center of sexual blackmail rings and loyal to a foreign state is evil, then Trump is evil. Again, this is not some obscure knowledge, it has been written about and discussed for longer than I’ve been able to read. It’s all on the public record, and most of it happened before Trump ran for President.
Trump’s father and uncle, and quite possibly his grandfather, and Trump himself, were all tight with the Jewish mafia. Organized crime is real, and it reaches to the very heights of American power. Harry Truman owed his entire political career to the mafia – so did Ronald Reagan, who was also tight with Roy Cohn – Cohn was very close to Nancy Reagan.
They are all evil.
> he authentically stood completely outside the hegemonic political regime.
No, see, this is simply false. Trump has always been an insider. Sure, he was a front man, a carnival barker, more than an actual power broker. But he has beenn involved in politics forever. He and Roger Stone even paid Al Sharpton to run in the Democratic primary and call Howard Dean a “racist.” Dean was a trouble for the establishment because if he won the Democratic primary, anti-war – and a little bit of 9/11 truth – would have gotten a huge amount of publicity. Howard Dean said on live TV that Bush had foreknowledge of the attacks. I was paying very close attention at the time.
Trump also smeared Pat Buchanan for being an “anti-semite” at the behest of pro-war Zionists.
What can you say about someone with such a long track record?
> Hence the insane reaction of the occupational class to his shock presidency.
Part of the insane reaction was that Trump had blackmail material on a whole lot of them, and he was taking direct orders from Benjamin Netanyahu.
> The Big Question of 9/11 is not What but Who. If someone lies about What they deserve the oven. But I’m not convinced that the Who is as simple as many people believe it to be.
I agree neither question is simple. I think that some people did some things, and other people did other things, and it’s all wrapped up in the PR campaign that was “9/11.”
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Yes, but:
Roy Cohn, a homosexual Jew, hated homosexuals and Jews, was the mastermind behind the McCarthy hearings and so-called “Red Scare”, and was arguably the deciding element in the execution of the Rosenbergs (they deserved worse). The Red Scare, as you are well aware, is today reviled in all polite society as (alternatively) deranged conspiracy theory, Nazism come to American shores, or the last real gasp of WASP power in the United States Government. With the benefit of hindsight, of course, we see that the Red Scare constituted a gross underestimation of the real situation. Red diaper baby and Banned Hipster persona non grata Curtis Yarvin himself admitted that whereas McCarthy (and thus inferentially Cohn) thought that they stumbled into a nest of Communist infiltrators, in fact they were wrestling with the (Anglo-)American Establishment itself. Following their defeat, Cohn decamped to New York, where he met and mentored Drumpf.
Was Drumpf’s long-time “association” with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell really what it appears to be to you? Back when search engines still worked and Reuters hadn’t yet begun publishing op-eds, I read a piece about how, of all the people that the author had called to ask about Epstein’s first arrest, Drumpf was essentially the only person willing to speak to the author about Epstein at all. Furthermore, the usual understanding with blackmail is that 1) you intentionally give up material on yourself in exchange for “promotion” to “positions of power” or 2) you’re caught with your pants down. Okay, but 1) Drumpf was already a billionaire and public figure and had nothing to gain from Epstein’s patronage and 2) he wasn’t that stupid.
Jeff Bezos needs to be blackmailed, and it needs to be done competently and with all haste.
The other stuff you’re probably right on. I don’t know enough about it.
> I agree neither question is simple. I think that some people did some things, and other people did other things, and it’s all wrapped up in the PR campaign that was “9/11.”
Lol.
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@Black Kitty Kat
> Roy Cohn, a homosexual Jew, hated homosexuals and Jews
I fundamentally disagree with the premise here. I get what you are saying, but this is simply not how human nature works. It’s like the trope of the “self-hating Jew.” Philip Roth was called a “self-hating Jew” too. Was he? Hell no, his Jewish identity was at the very heart of everything he ever wrote.
> in fact they were wrestling with the (Anglo-)American Establishment itself.
Yes, I’ve read Tragedy and Hope too. Also, I’m fully aware of how popular Communism was among British and American elites in the early 20th century. I’m aware that, in fact, the USA and the USSR were allied in World War II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_Margarita#The_Spring_Festival_Ball_at_Spaso_House
> Was Drumpf’s long-time “association” with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell really what it appears to be to you?
Yes.
> of all the people that the author had called to ask about Epstein’s first arrest, Drumpf was essentially the only person willing to speak to the author about Epstein at all.
I am very familiar with this incident. It was an investigator. Trump’s choice was to either take the phone call, or get subpoenaed. He chose to take the phone call. I’ve been paying very, very close attention to this story since the Bush era, as it was part of how very powerful interests in the Democratic party helped sabotage Hillary Clinton’s early fundraising to help launch Obama’s career. The Trumper’s campaign to exonerate Trump over his very close connections to the Epstein/Maxwell ring falls apart when you get into the details of what really happened. Trump was complicit. Ivanka Trump used to ride around in the limo with Ghislaine Maxwell picking up “nubiles.”
True, Trump was not the brains behind the operation, as he isn’t the brains behind anything. But Trump is no hero, he’s a villain here.
> Drumpf was already a billionaire and public figure and had nothing to gain from Epstein’s patronage
No, I fundamentally disagree with your take on how this system operates. Trump was never an independent power, as I mentioned in the other article, Trump was always in debt to the Mishpucka. He is a paper billionaire. See his recent troubles with Deutsche Bank. Trump the character and Trump the man are very different.
> Jeff Bezos needs to be blackmailed, and it needs to be done competently and with all haste.
Not relevant, but you are now answering my positive statements with normative statements. Why should I want to side with Jared Kushner, Benjamin Netnayahu, and Saudi’s MBS against George H. W. Bush, James Banker, and the old time Arabists? How is that in my interests?
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> How is that in my interests?
I have no idea, but it’s funny to say, and if I don’t laugh at least once while writing a shitpost on the Internut, what’s the point?
I’ll “circle back” to the other things later, lol.
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The most absurd conspiracy theory concerning 9/11 is contained in the document known as ‘The 9/11 Commission Report’.
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@Muhammad Izadi
Yes, I agree completely, and find it quite fitting that they wrote a comic book version of it.
No, that is not a joke:
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Clown world…
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How civilization can be reprised without unreserved truth is quite beyond me.
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This post needed to be written. The only thing I’ll add about the people you mentioned in the above is they have one thing in common, in my opinion – massive (or sensitive, not sure if there’s a difference) egos. I’ve seen them become extremely dismissive, reductionist, and downright insulting to those that question their arguments.
I’ve seen this behavior in my personal life from highly intelligent people who get off on being smarter than everyone around them. When someone offers a problematic viewpoint that makes them look less than superior, their emotions get the better of them and they lash out. The irony of all this is the very ‘cult’ that apparently you have been accused of being in seemingly has zero leadership – only a bunch of people frustrated by the very lack of compelling evidence from the official narrative. Sort of like Covid.
Furthermore, these guys all have extremely sycophantic followings, as Black Kitty Kat astutely points out, which makes them basically cult leaders. I hesitate to name names because I know some of these guys, but people like Vox Day, whom I have never interacted with nor do I have any desire to, is probably the best and most obnoxious example of these self-proclaimed geniuses.
Why are they doing this? Is it because we live in a complete mess of a society and we need to work together to sort this out, or are they doing it because they want to be king of the prison yard? Fuck that – let’s bust out of this joint. At least outside they have women.
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