Remember when Donald Trump suggested the United States buy Greenland?
This made a news cycle. It was treated as mostly a joke. But this incident can provide insight into what is now called “the Dissident Right.”
Here is the question: did Donald Trump really want to buy Greenland, but was stymied by the Deep State?
Let’s not forget: various Dissident Right “leaders” and celebrities have said that if you don’t believe that Trump “really” wanted to stop immigration than you are a “conspiracy theorist.”
If you were to say, “Trump never meant a word of what he said, he was just saying what the audience wanted to hear” – that is a “conspiracy theory” and you are having “paranoid delusions.”
I’d suggest another way to think about this is ask yourself, “did Donald Trump really want to make peace with North Korea?”
My answer would be, yes. I have no doubt that Trump really did want to make peace with North Korea. I suspect that Trump really did think he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize for making peace with North Korea.
The follow up questions are, of course, can Donald Trump find North Korea on a map? Does Donald Trump know anything about North Korea at all, except “Rocketman” and “nukes?”
So both things are possible. It is possible that Donald Trump really did want to make peace with North Korea and win the Nobel Peace Prize and at the same time, Trump really had no idea about North Korea, the Nobel Peace Prize, or international relations at all. But sure – if all he had to do is make a speech, do a photo-op, and then accept the Nobel Peace Prize, I have no doubt Trump would have loved to do all that.
As an illustration of the Dissident Right and how deceptive these people are, let’s take two popular “Dissident Right” “Neo-Reaction” bloggers, Curtis Yarvin and James Lawrence. I’ve called James Lawrence an “enemy propagandist” and I stand by it. Fortunately for me, Lawrence has once again outed himself as an enemy propagandist by a recent exchange.
https://affirmativeright.blogspot.com/2021/02/democracy-versus-popularchy.html
As for Trump, he was all mouth and no trousers, but the idea that he never wanted to do anything in office but shill for Israel is a cope.
Here we see James Lawrence posturing as a “realist.” Trump really wanted to buy Greenland but “the structure … resisted him at every turn.”
This is a constant refrain of Lawrence. Israel, and Jews, have no power. They are in a sense powerless. In this he follows his leader, Curtis Yarvin, who also told us that AIPAC has no power, the poor Israelis can’t even properly genocide the Palestinians because the International Liberal Protestant Conspiracy (Yarvin’s words) at the Neo-Calvinist Harvard Cathedral won’t let them, because their Universalism makes them sympathetic to the Palestinians.
What Lawrence is doing is simply relying on the ignorance of his readers. It is a good bet for Lawrence to make, that his readers are stupid and ill-informed – that is a safe bet.
Lawrence does this by pretending that Donald Trump just popped out of the ether in 2015.
Here Lawrence tries to paint anyone noticing Trump’s close collaboration with the Israel lobby as a kind of “conspiracy theorist.”
Well, the mind boggles to imagine the quantity of secret Jewgold that Netanyahu had to slip Trump in order to make it all worth his while.
Get it? “Secret” … “Jewgold.” It’s a South Park joke. Lawrence wants to pretend that Trump really wanted to do all these wonderful things, like build a wall and deport them all, but the “Deep State” – the “Progressive Liberals” at the Harvard Cathedral prevented him from doing so.
What about the undeniable gains that Israel has made on the international stage? Trump WAS able – despite the “Deep State” – to overturn 75 years of bipartisan establishment consensus on Zionism. Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem. Trump forced the US to “recognize” Israel’s occupation of all of Palestine, Lebanon’s Golan Heights, and all of the illegal settlements.
Of course Trump continued to shovel billions of dollars of American money to Israel’s military and their private sector. Trump’s administration hired hundreds, if not thousands, of Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists – some actual Israeli citizens – to important posts all throughout the government.
Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, helped stage an astonishing coup in Saudi Arabia, where his close ally, MBS, literally locked the entire Saudi Arabian establishment in a hotel and drained their foreign bank accounts and killed anyone who resisted. This was immediately followed up by Trump announcing various Gulf states, and US client states like Kosovo, had all recognized Israel.
What James Lawrence wants you to believe is that it is a “conspiracy theory” – it’s irrational, silly even, to believe that Trump did all this because that would mean “Netanyahu” bribed him with “Jew-gold.”
Again – Lawrence expects that his readers are stupid – and perhaps he is correct. If you think that Donald Trump just appeared one day in 2015, surely, his strong support for Israel must be because of Netanyahu’s “Jewgold” – and considering that Trump seems to be paying a heavy personal price for his Presidency, surely, his connections with Likud are no big deal, right?
Now, back in the real world, not the fantasy Right-Wing world, Donald Trump’s entire family has been more-or-less an extension of Jewish oligarchs going back to the 1960’s.
Donald Trump’s father famously joined a Jewish fraternity and sometimes claimed to be Jewish himself. Trump’s father was known for his close personal and business ties to the Jewish community in New York. Trump donated land and money to Jewish causes. There are synagogues with dedications to Trump’s father.
The Democrats tried to make a big deal about Trump’s father’s arrest “at a Klan rally” but anyone who spends a minute thinking about it would understand that Trump’s father was part of the anti-Klan protests – basically, the 1950’s version of Antifa.
Then there is Trump himself. Trump’s acknowledged “mentor” was the Jewish Zionist Roy Cohn. Trump’s entire business has been managed by Jewish New Yorkers. Trump closest political allies were Jewish tabloid publishers like David Pecker of AMI. Trump’s “personal lawyer” – “fixer” – was the Zionist Jew Michael Cohen. Trump’s other personal lawyer – also the lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein – was Alan Dershowitz, author of The Case for Israel and a notorious Zionist.
Trump’s family has always been “intermarried” with Jews, and his prize daughter literally rejected Jesus Christ to covert to “orthodox Judaism” to marry Jared Kushner, and Trump’s grandchildren are Jewish – as he famously announced at AIPAC in 2016 – and are Israeli citizens.
In the late 90’s, Trump took over Perot’s Reform Party from Pat Buchanan, whom he infamously called a “Nazi” and suggested he was collaborating with “anti-semites” like David Duke.
In 2001, Trump served as the Grand Marshall of the Israel Day Parade and served as a “Gentile” spokesmen for Israel’s interests all throughout the Bush administration.
When Obama became President, Trump used his celebrity – and his Twitter account – to popularize the “Obama Birth Certificate” conspiracy theory, which was sourced from the Israeli propagandist Orly Taitz. The goal was to paint Obama as a “secret Muslim” that was working with “the mullahs” to help Iran get nukes to “drive the Jews into the sea.”
Donald Trump Jr. famously said that Trump finally decided to run for President specifically to stop Obama’s Iran deal because it was bad for Israel.
Now while all this is happening, the media would sometimes say that Donald Trump is really an “anti-semite” because he once said that Jews make good accountants and that he wished his daughter had married Tom Brady.
Enemy propagandists like James Lawrence play a similar game. Lawrence simply ignores the Trump’s family ties to the Zionist Jewish community that goes back to his father, and perhaps even his grandfather.
James Lawrence pretends that Trump’s lawyers, like Alan Dershowitz and Michael Cohen, just sort of “happen to be Jewish” and that of course, New York, Jewish lawyers, etc.
James Lawrence wants you to believe that Trump really wanted to end mass immigration but the Deep State stopped him, and all the stuff for Israel – overturning 75 years of bipartisan consensus in America and Europe and the Middle East – just sort of “happened” because of course Trump would be pro-Israel!
James Lawrence is clearly an intelligent and educated man. He’s not stupid – far, far from it. So this is either a very weird blind spot, or Lawrence is just lying on purpose because he is an enemy propagandist.
Sure, Trump really did want to buy Greenland. Sure, Trump really did want to make peace with North Korea and get the Nobel Peace prize. Sure, Trump really did want to build a wall and stop immigration.
But he did none of those things. In the case of immigration, he never even tried – the first thing he did when he got into office was announce an increase in skilled immigration.
Trump spent 30 years advocating for Israel yet never breathed a word about mass immigration, until his famous elevator speech, where his offhand comment about “illegal immigration” became an applause line.
So when these Neo-Reactionaries, these “Dissident Right” wingers, ignore Trump’s entire political and professional life and that of his father and instead focus on Trump’s throw away rally lines what are we seeing here? What is happening?
Isn’t it obvious? This is called Hasbara – shilling for Israel – and you can be assured they think you are stupid because they don’t even try to make a serious case.
Instead, they just call you names – “conspiracy theorist” – “Jew obsessed” – and suggest that it’s just crazy to think that Trump has spent his entire life as an agent for Likud because Netanyahu doesn’t have that much “Jewgold.”
The rest of this Dissident Right is much the same. James Lawrence also wants you to believe that rich people have no power and that Capitalists, the Fortune 500, are powerless when confronted with the Armies of Green-Haired SJWs from Harvard.
Curtis Yarvin says the same thing – Silicon Valley companies have no power, power flows through them.
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/big-tech-has-no-power-at-all
This type of rhetoric – this Hasbara – has been around for a long, long time, and it always follows the same basic script. “Hey goyim, don’t believe your own eyes, that’s all a conspiracy theory.”
Curtis Yarvin, James Lawrence, the rest of these Dissident Right types – they are enemy propagandists – for reals. That is not a throw-away insult, it is a real and accurate description of what they are and what they are doing.
So the question to ask yourself is, are you as stupid as they think you are?
If you are a right-winger, a “dissident rightist” and a Trump fan, the answer is probably “yes.”
Banned Hipster 
Good analysis. The technique employed by our enemies is termed “gaslighting”.
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https://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/articles/war-with-iran-weve-seen-this-movie-before/
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Oh and here: look what happens the very SECOND that Trump and Kushner lose power:
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-12-06/saudi-prince-strongly-criticizes-israel-at-bahrain-summit
But remember – James Lawrence says the idea that Trump was working for Israel is a “cope” and makes jokes about “Jewgold.”
Instead, the problem is white gentile college girls with green hair and problem glasses. Basically, ANYONE EXCEPT JEWS. Because Israel is like, based, man.
Colin Liddell used to be the second most important “AltRight” figure on the Dissident Right.
Look at his website now: probably fully a THIRD to maybe even half is Israeli propaganda.
How bizarre. Colin Liddell is a Scot living in Japan – that spends his entire political life shilling for a tiny little Jewish country in the Middle East.
What the hell is going on here?
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Now let’s see you on the CIA.
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Israel never placed me under de facto house arrest while threatening to alter my genes and make me eat bugs.
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I think we’ve all heard umpteen times about Trump’s Jewish connections and Zionist sympathies (which are neither hidden nor particularly unusual for the con party). What’s missing here is any real justification of the claim that I was disputing in that thread, i.e. that Trump had no intention of doing anything that he said he would do on domestic policy.
Not that he blustered, backed down, acted ineptly, took the path of least resistance – I can get behind all of that – but that he knew the rules of the game, deliberately conned everyone, and held back the power he supposedly had because he was “controlled by the Jews”. (The implication being, of course, that the alt-right-to-conservative grift train must chug along forever and suck up dissident energies, because electoral politics is viable and all we need to do is get a bona fide Judenrein nationalist into office next time.)
As I pointed out, this view of Trump fails to explain what possible quid pro quo he could have received in return for the price he has paid. It fails to explain why he would make an enemy of the bureaucracy, and then go on to leave its power structure and voter-importing racket untouched. It fails to explain why the entire ruling class took him very seriously as a threat, even after four years of nothing; and why the (heavily Jewish) media uniformly loathed him, and did everything to persuade the ballot-counters – ahem, I mean, the voters – to cut short his MIGA service.
Maybe you can fill in these gaps with something plausible, or maybe not. But I will always choose common sense over dark and serpentine explanations that always seem to rely on every other person – from the halls of power to the obscure corners of the internet – being some sort of secret Mossad agent or card-carrying Hasbara propagandist.
And here’s another maxim of common sense. When someone jumps to the conclusion that you and other people you know are motivated by sinister agendas – and you know for a fact, being the subject, that no such agendas exist –then you can safely ignore his considerable knowledge and intelligence, and write off all his conclusions about wider events as being products of the same bullshit-mill. I can only hope that, given enough time, you will turn your insinuations on other readers of your blog and enlighten them in the same way.
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@JLawrence
“what possible quid pro quo he could have received in return for the price he has paid.”
Is this a joke?
They made him rich, they made him famous – they made his grandchildren – they made him President. They even named him “the King of Israel.” What other “quid pro quo” would anyone need? What other possible motivations could any man have? Is loyalty to your own flesh and blood now some sort of anti-semitic conspiracy theory?
“jumps to the conclusion that you and other people you know are motivated by sinister agendas”
I didn’t “jump” to that conclusion, I arrived at that conclusion after years of close observation. I’m sure you don’t consider your own agenda to be “sinister.” I have no doubt that you, like Trump, honestly and truly and deeply feel a common cause with the Jewish people and their state of Israel. Why wouldn’t you?
Why would I?
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“I have no doubt that you, like Trump, honestly and truly and deeply feel a common cause with the Jewish people and their state of Israel”
Erm, nope, you’re barking up the wrong tree there. If you didn’t fixate on my scattered comments about Israel and the Jews, you would notice how little I think about them from one post to the next. Then again, from your point of view, that’s precisely the problem, isn’t it?
Everyone still writing at AR (perhaps just 4-5 people nowadays) is there because we are fed up with rightist farce and failure, and willing to abandon quite a lot of accumulated orthodoxy in order to hazard a new path. I don’t ask anyone to get behind what we are doing. You could make a good case to the effect that we are left-behinds indulging contrarian heresies at a dinky Blogspot site. But if, after “years of observation”, you can’t see the obvious common thread connecting it all, then I have to question your judgement of wider events.
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@JLawrence
So that wasn’t a joke?
You want us to believe that Donald Trump couldn’t have been working for Israel – despite the fact that Trump is, himself, more or less, a Jew? His entire family, going back to his father, have been huge boosters of the Jewish community and Israel. His entire professional life has been a partnership between him and Jews. His actual flesh and blood family are half Jewish and his grandchildren Israeli citizens. He has spent 30 years – and his father spent his entire life since college – advocating for Jews and specifically Israel.
But you are serious – not joking – that none of that matters and clearly Trump couldn’t be sincere in his Zionism because Netanyahu didn’t have enough “Jewgold?”
This is why I say you are just a straight-up enemy. Your entire output is a kind of gaslighting, telling people to not notice the obvious and coming up with complicated excuses for why Jews really don’t have any power, it’s really … “neo-Calvinists” … or whatever nonsense.
You also say that “we” have heard all about these connections – which is just a bald-faced lie. Certainly the mass media has never breathed a word about this. The mass media tells people that Trump is an “anti-semite.”
So where are all these people harping on Trump’s Zionism? Me? My fifth-rate barely read blog that can’t even keep from getting banned on a regular basis?
The fact that you – and Liddell – can’t jump in fast enough to tamp down any discussion of Jewish Zionist power in the USA says it all. It would be quite easy for you to incorporate these facts into your analysis but instead your analysis seems perfectly constructed to ignore the obvious.
If that isn’t Hasbara, what is?
One supposes it is possible that you have personally internalized Jewish interests to such an extent you actually have an emotional knee-jerk reaction to any acknowledgement that maybe Jews have conflicting interests with European people.
Frankly I’d have more respect for you if you were getting paid.
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Trump is like Emmanuel Goldstein from 1984: a made-up figure, a hatesink for leftists to be energized and rallied through, and a bait to lure the dissident right into firing range.
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@bannedhipster
“Frankly I’d have more respect for you if you were getting paid.”
I’ll take that as a begrudging, backhanded admission that your previous insinuations – to the effect that I was receiving shekels from Mossad for scattered remarks on a half-dead blog – were completely deranged and ridiculous.
But that’s the sole point of progress, it seems. For the umpteenth time, I am *not* disputing Trump’s Zionist sympathies; everyone *in the Dissident Right* (not the media, lol) knows all about them. What I’m disputing is the claim that he had the power to do what he wanted in domestic policy, and declined to use it – or, alternatively, that he knew in advance he wouldn’t get to change domestic policy, and knowingly conned his supporters – because, like some lobbyist with a finite amount of dollars, he had to focus entirely on Israel.
To believe this, we must believe that Trump went out of his way to court the hatred of the bureaucracy and inner party with his incendiary rhetoric – and then wilfully left its power structure and vote-importing racket untouched for four years, so that it could turn around and do exactly what it is doing to him right now.
No, “blood loyalty” would not lead him to do that. It might lead him to go to bat for Israel, but not to sacrifice his interests in a failed political adventure that may lead to the prosecution of his immediate family (e.g. Don Jr., who is already being investigated). No, the sensible conclusion is that Trump thought he could actually rule, and found out the hard way that he couldn’t because his office is mostly a ceremonial one.
And I stress this point in order to warn other dissidents not to vote for the con party, not to stake their hopes on electing a “bona fide nationalist” in the future, and – most of all – not to support the useless slapstick activism of alt-right feds and grifters. But note that, when someone comes along with the opposite point of view, I don’t hysterically accuse him of lying and spreading propaganda on behalf of said feds and grifters. Fifth-rate blogger or no, I try to have a bit of class.
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@JLawrence
“What I’m disputing is the claim that he had the power to do what he wanted in domestic policy, and declined to use it – or, alternatively, that he knew in advance he wouldn’t get to change domestic policy, and knowingly conned his supporters – because, like some lobbyist with a finite amount of dollars, he had to focus entirely on Israel. ”
I’ve said this: Trump never said a word about “illegal immigration” throughout his entire life. Until he ran for President, when his handler told him there were three issues the GOP types were discussing on conservative talk radio: Obamacare, Common Core, and illegal immigration. He mentioned the first two at his elevator speech – no one cared. He mentioned illegal immigration, and everyone loved it.
So, smartly, he stuck with that.
Is there any reason to believe that Donald Trump “really” wanted to do anything about illegal immigration? I don’t see any reason to believe that. He never even tried. The one guy that was legitimately for immigration reform Trump fired early on. This was clearly not a priority for him.
Is there any reason to believe that Donald Trump “really” wanated to help Israel? Of course – he has spent his entire life doing that. His entire team were hard core Zionists. Trump expended political capital to advance Israel’s interests.
Now, if Donald Trump “really” had wanted to halt mass immigration, and actually attempted to do so – would be have been successful? Maybe not. You could very well be right about that.
But there is literally no reason to believe he ever wanted to – nor that he even tried – except he used it as an applause line – just like he did photo ops with Bibles and flags.
“To believe this, we must believe that Trump went out of his way to court the hatred of the bureaucracy and inner party with his incendiary rhetoric ”
His “incendiary rhetoric” is the only reason he won. It is the only reason he got media coverage. It helped boost the ratings of CNN – which gave his rhetoric blanket, 24 hour coverage (CNN was run by Trump’s personal friend, Jeffrey Zucker, by the way) and even helped saved the New York Times who became profitable by catering to the anti-Trump crowd.
“No, “blood loyalty” would not lead him to do that. It might lead him to go to bat for Israel, but not to sacrifice his interests in a failed political adventure that may lead to the prosecution of his immediate family (e.g. Don Jr., who is already being investigated). No, the sensible conclusion is that Trump thought he could actually rule, and found out the hard way that he couldn’t because his office is mostly a ceremonial one.”
No – I reject that assertion strongly. What planet on your living on? Trump WON. Despite everything, Trump WON. 99.999999999% of people do not become President for even one term.
That is not at all a sensible conclusion. You sound like you are speaking about a completely different reality. Frankly, you sound like you are trying to fit reality into the Yarvin ideology, as opposed to adjusting your ideology to facts.
You also studiosly ignore that Trump won victory after victory for Israel. The concrete victories were anything but symbolic.
“I don’t hysterically accuse him of lying and spreading propaganda on behalf of said feds and grifters. ”
I’m not “hysterically” accusing you of lying. I am calmly accusing you of lying.
Again – to make it clear – I am not on your side. You – like Curtis Yarvin – are enemy propagandists working to disenfranchise my people. If I were to ever get power, I’d deport your ass to Tel Aviv by the close of business on the first day.
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“Is there any reason to believe that Donald Trump “really” wanted to do anything about illegal immigration? I don’t see any reason to believe that. He never even tried.”
Well, there was his travel ban, and his government shutdown over the border wall funding, and his various attempts to renegotiate DACA, H-1B visas, immigrant welfare, etc…and yes, the common pattern was that he backed down and compromised like a cuck, and was able to keep his supporters anyway by empty blustering because the kulaks are so fucking desperate.
Yet he was under hoax investigations from day one, with those close to him being prosecuted under absurd technicalities, and much of what he did being reversed by the judiciary or openly defied by the bureaucracy. I’m not saying that he fought well or wisely, or that he didn’t opt to save his own skin at the expense of his promises. At the same time, had he known how the government really works, he may never have run for office in the first place.
In the popular mind, the office of POTUS represents an elective leadership role, not a do-or-die chance to charge a set of hurdles under gunfire. We can debate till we’re blue in the face over whether the bloodied corpse lying face-down in the mud “really wanted” to charge those hurdles. But I would rather focus on the fact that the game is so obviously rigged in the first place, and make the case for turning over the tables.
“Is there any reason to believe that Donald Trump “really” wanated to help Israel? Of course – he has spent his entire life doing that.”
The two are mutually exclusive in the minds of WNs, but not in the minds of normal people. And “what he really wanted” is a secondary matter. Once it became clear that he had burned his bridges with the establishment, he had every *interest* in breaking its power structure and hobbling its vote-importing racket. Yet he could do nothing.
“What planet on your living on? Trump WON. Despite everything, Trump WON. 99.999999999% of people do not become President for even one term.”
Nor do they become People’s Enemy No. 1, eternal persona non grata among the ruling class, and legal shit magnet for the rest of their lives. We will just have to watch and see, over the coming years, what Trump has really “won” and how far it will benefit his family (i.e. the immediate object of “blood loyalty” for all sane and healthy people).
“Frankly, you sound like you are trying to fit reality into the Yarvin ideology, as opposed to adjusting your ideology to facts.”
The “Yarvin ideology”, i.e. neoreaction, has to do with monarchism and patchwork and whatnot, and all of this is open to question. I have, in fact, questioned a lot of it, much more thoroughly than you. But it rests on a factual basis, drawn from his direct experience with government, and this is far better attested than WN “blood loyalty” obscurantism. Take a look at what Yarvin says about Ron Paul here, in 2008:
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/01/open-letter-to-ron-paul-supporters-part/
…And you will see that there is another explanation for the fact that every anti-establishment President, from Nixon to Reagan to Trump, has ticked off laundry lists of foreign policy achievements while hardly making a dent in the permanent government at home. Namely, that the bureaucracy is effectively autonomous and free from executive control (rather like the citizenry of a classical democracy, but let’s not go into all that).
“Again – to make it clear – I am not on your side.”
Finally you say something reasonable. Certainly, if you think anti-democrats are plotting to “disenfranchise” you – as opposed to trying to save the West from a leftist ideology that has reduced the world-conquerors to the world-conquered within a few generations – then I’d say there’s a pretty impassable gulf between us. I’ve duly responded to your points, but I think it would be a waste of time for both of us to continue this further.
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@JLawrence
“Yet he was under hoax investigations from day one”
So was Bill Clinton – Starr’s investigation was “open ended” and it went from Whitewater to everything else until they finally impeached him for lying about Monica Lewinsky. How is what they did to Trump any different?
“At the same time, had he known how the government really works, he may never have run for office in the first place.”
This is absurd. No one “knows how the government really works.” Every President gets maximum pushback from all sides. Even Obama, despite being beloved by the media, got heat from all sides. Trump was such a naivete he thought he could rule like a king? Absurd.
“The two are mutually exclusive in the minds of WNs, but not in the minds of normal people. And “what he really wanted” is a secondary matter. Once it became clear that he had burned his bridges with the establishment, he had every *interest* in breaking its power structure and hobbling its vote-importing racket. Yet he could do nothing.”
What “WNs” are you strawmanning here, exactly? My point was explicit: Donald Trump has always, for his entire life, been a partisan of Israel, and specifically an agent of Likud. Donald Trump has never shown any interest in immigration reform – until it became an applause line. Then, he did essentially nothing.
You point out the so-called “Muslim ban” – but that was itself for Israel more than anything – the target was Iran and Arab countries not friendly to Israel. It had zero effect on immigration – but it was a bit of Muslim-bashing like the good old Bush days – also in the interests of Israel.
“Nor do they become People’s Enemy No. 1, eternal persona non grata among the ruling class, and legal shit magnet for the rest of their lives.”
I find it perfectly plausible to believe that Donald Trump represents a serious fissure in the establishment – I’ve said that forever, specifically, it is hardly surprising that the American establishment would be furious that a foreign agent becomes President. It’s also hardly a surprise that as America gets more “diverse” it tends to more serious conflicts.
Certainly none of that relies on your particular analysis and it certainly doesn’t follow that Trump a) wasn’t Israel first and b) never particularly cared about immigration.
BTW – I’ve actually addressed Yarvin’s “Open Letter To Ron Paul Supporters” and admitted it was excellent propaganda – given WIDE coverage by the neo-conservatives at the Atlantic – and was perfectly timed to defend Israel against the massive wave of anti-war – and anti-Israel – sentiment around Ron Paul and Antiwar.com back in 2007.
You keep making my points for me, please continue. Did you think I’ve never read Yarvin?
“if you think anti-democrats are plotting to “disenfranchise” you – as opposed to trying to save the West from a leftist ideology that has reduced the world-conquerors to the world-conquered within a few generations ”
I didn’t say “anti-democrats” – I said YOU. You are engaging in Hasbara, you are engaging in Yarvin’s Zionist neo-con ink squirting, and there is zero reason for me to think you are anything what you appear to be – desperately trying to pretend that AIPAC and Jews have no power and trying to point to anything else.
“I think it would be a waste of time for both of us to continue this further.”
Oh no – I will continue to go out of my way to expose your propaganda and debunk your hasbara. Yarvin is above my pay grade – but you most certainly are not.
It’s very much worth my time to oppose an enemy propagandist like you. Hell – I enjoy it. It’s why I blog. Exposing you is just “counterintelligence” as far as I’m concerned – since you are an enemy propagandist, running interference for a hostile state.
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Oh, and as for all the pretend hysteria that Trump and his family are going to the gulags or whatever – an absurdity that Yarvinite Jim Donald has been saying forever, that they are going to “kill” Trump and his family if he loses the election…
back in the real world – not that utterly fake NRx fantasy world – Trump is the most popular Republican, bar none, and his family members are already being set up to run for office:
They also acquitted Trump in the Senate.
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I don’t really want to get into the middle of something here, but I have no intention of voting for anyone in Trump’s family, or anyone in the Republican “sell out ” party…period! The Republicans have had thirty+ years to actually accomplish something and we got a big, fat nothing burger. No more voting, except in local elections. Let the Republicans die out. And, what has Lara Trump ever accomplished in her life to be running for the senate? Her candidacy is as shallow as Kelly Loefler, and we already know how that went down.
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bannedhipster: “I’ve said that forever, specifically, it is hardly surprising that the American establishment would be furious that a foreign agent becomes President.”
…Okay, at this point it would be farce to pretend this is an ideological difference. I’ve been generous with the benefit of the doubt, since Colin has linked to you and all, but at the end of the day a loon with good writing skills is still just a loon.
As for the rest of your hand-waving, what is there to say? Trump has served one term as President, and been impeached twice. The intelligence agencies are all over him, the bureaucracy is in open revolt against him, the media has been in a state of permanent hysteria for four years, cities have been burned and votes rigged and half the internet shuttered just to damage him, and you want to pretend this is business as usual. And, when you do admit that there is something more, you explain it away by a slight variation on Russiagate boilerplate.
This might lead you to be mistaken for a cool head, if you were not constantly gaslighting your readers in the opposite direction – inflating bloggers who don’t share your obsessions into “Hasbara propagandists”, and sticking everything they say with three times its weight in straw padding. (No, I don’t think Trump thought he could “rule like a king”, and nor did anyone else.)
I would call it the work of a remarkably devious and shameless liar, except that you really seem to believe what you are saying. Well, a loon is just a liar who has run so low on honesty that he does not even keep a portion for his own use.
It is a waste of *my* time to interact further. You can carry on raving and slandering and fantasising to anyone who will listen, and I will leave you to wallow in your own muck, because the task of coming here and trying to talk some sanity into you is way above my pay grade.
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I just have to say that I find the structure of James Lawrence’s discourse very interesting: It seems to be just another variation of what you see on Fox News with Tucker Carlson. Namely, what I would call the “Defend Trump at all costs” technique.
It consists of two tactics:
First, blame all failures of the leader on his underlings, and shield him from all responsibility.
Viz. Tucker (“John Bolton is making Trump go to war!”, “These globalist RINOs won’t let Trump the wall!”, etc.) and now Lawrence (“Trump is working hard behind the scenes against the Liberal Establishment, but the bureaucrats are thwarting him” and “Trump has a plan to save us, just like those other anti-establishment heroes Nixon and Reagan[LOL!!]” and “The con party is the real problem”)
The second tactic is to trivialize any and all faults of the leader and to gaslight his critics and opponents by mocking them for their supposed hysteria and irrationality.
Once again, viz. Tucker (“Lol, look at these dumb, triggered libtards trying to impeach Trump when he’s already out of office for just making a speech”, “Trump just wanted to drain the swamp in Ukraine, but these loony libtards can’t get over their TDS”, etc.) and Lawrence (“Why are these paranoid wignats always bringing up Jews? They should get a life” and ” You must be pretty stupid if you think Jews and Israel are the real problem when we are up against the LIBERAL ESTABLISHMENT”, etc.)
I assume that this congruence of rhetoric reflects a deeper congruence of mission. That is, whatever bullshit Lawrence is pretending to sell, it is essentially no different from the objectives of Fox News works towards the same ends.
And, of course, the objectives are obvious; If Trump is Israel, which he is, then who would want to “Defend Trump at all costs”?
(As an addendum, I would just add that the degree of rabid defence of Trump was the most surprising thing of all during this whole five-year shitshow; the orange retard must really have been in the bag for Bibi for such effort and time and money to have been expended (wasted?) on him. To me, it looks like a sign of weaknesses and desperation, but what do I know?)
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@Apollonius
Good analysis. In JLawrence’s case, I don’t think he is trying to defend Trump himself so much – he’s perfectly willing to say Trump is a dope, a blowhard, a failure, etc.
But what Lawrence is very desperate to contend is that Trump had no Israeli agenda at all – Trump was totally, sincerely “America First” and was just stymied by the “Deep State” or the “Cathedral.”
It seems the idea that Donald Trump’s actual loyalties were to Jews and Israel simply cannot be acknowledged – you’ll notice that was what finally set him off and then he stopped concern trolling me.
I was right – he’s Hasbara. He’s not just repeating some Israeli propaganda he picked up somewhere – he’s a smart guy. He is doing it on purpose.
Which makes sense in context, because as Colin Liddell has failed to get any headway with his “Affirmative Right” he has increasingly been turning it over to Israelis like “Utter Contempt” and various “goy” neo-cons who like to praise Israel as an “example of Europe” etc.
So, in other words, Liddell’s failure has led him to try to restart the tired old “Counter-Jihad” movement from 2003.
Sad!
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Yes, indeed, and as I said, they must be in quite desperate straits if they can only play the “Radical Islam” card again and again.
The writing is on the wall for them.
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Peak Zionism or something else?
https://balfourproject.org/a-scion-of-zionist-aristocracy-wants-to-quit-the-jewish-people-will-israel-let-him/
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